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- AngelaIpIdeator I
I don’t want to unnecessarily bring this topic into the public eye if things were simply poorly planned or communicated. I understand that the decisions around the Open Release were mainly aimed at a few large target customers, and others may have been overlooked.
However, if some of these decisions were made with less than full transparency, I believe it’s important to raise awareness within the software community.
jsperling eli_donahue asebastian christopher_gillisIs it still to be expected that Aras will provide feedback here?
(I am aware that none of the people in cc are directly responsible, but I needed to include a few people to raise awareness.)
I want to quote Peter Schroer: "If there is something you’d like to tell us, let us know. We are not fragile."
I hope some of that mindset still remains!- Former Member
Totally agree with you. It's a dead way that Aras management try to EOL the open version
- AngelaIpIdeator I
Congrats on Aras’ impressive result in the latest Forrester Wave report! The report includes an interesting quote:
"Customer feedback. Reference customers [...] agree that it (=Aras) communicates clearly, fulfills its promises, provides great customer service, and resolves issues quickly."Well… when it comes to the Open Release, I’d say the communication hasn’t exactly been crystal clear - and the promises? Still a bit of a work in progress.
The current promise is an Open Release that supports "50 enabled users". Is that really fulfilled?
Back then, when you had fewer than 250 users, Aras actually encouraged companies not to go for a subscription. I was personally assured that there would always be an Open Release I could rely on. So…where exactly is my Open Release?[emoticon:98f842990f454422aa6a04953955f9d9]
But besides my own personal story with Aras:
Of course, the Open Release and its few users may be lower priority. But the Open Release is often the first point of contact external users have with the software. What kind of first impression does it leave when the product doesn’t even meet its own stated specifications and promises? That’s definitely something that could be improved!
- kalainpkIdeator I
I have installed the Community Edition 2025 and my first impressions is that, they heavily worked with UI changes and it looks nice. Rest is same as before maybe need some more time to test. However RE package for Release 2025 is missing but I see packages for all other Modules
- AngelaIpIdeator I
I confirm that the RE package for Release 2025 is missing. You can probably still use the previous version, but I assume Aras just forgot to add the new package. The lastest RE version was released for Release 33 and contained new useful features like spellcheck, drag&drop and other quality of live improvements. So this version would definitely be a win.
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Could someone verify whether Aras has updated the user restrictions to align with the current descriptions on the homepage and in the Administrator Quick Start Guide?
- According to the homepage Release 2025 supports up to 50 users
- According to the Administrator Quick Start only "enabled" users are counted.Back in Release 2024, system accounts and "disabled" users were counted too.
Questions:
1. Is the user limit strictly 50, or is it slightly higher - around 53-55 - to accommodate system accounts such as Vault and Authentication Admin?
2. If you exceed the user limit and disable some of the accounts, does Innovator work again? Are disabled accounts still counted as "active" users?Here is a small C# Method that can be used to add some "Test Users" fast and easy.
The Method will add 47 users. Please lower the "new user" number if you already have added your own custom accounts.Notes: Only use this code in a dedicated test environment. Please don´t add very large numbers of users with this Method. This may have negative impact to your system performance.
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Thanks in advance!
- kalainpkIdeator I
I tried with more than 50 users and got the error message as below:
- eli_donahueNew Member
Just cross-posting here to mention that RE for Release 2025 is now available via Aras Update.
Here's the download page for Aras Update in case anyone needs it: Downloads | Aras
- AngelaIpIdeator I
To outsource some work, I asked ChatGPT for its opinion on the open release. I think the result sums up the situation quite nicely.
Used questions (not exactly the original prompts, but very similar):
- What do you know about the Aras Innovator open release? How were the limitations?
- Was it always just intended for testing?
- What is the current situation?
- Does this match to what was promised earlier?
- Was the swift executed well?
- What can they do to improve the situation?
We all know ChatGPT talks far too much. Here's the summary:1. Historical Reality: Open Release Was Truly Unlimited
When Aras introduced the open release model in 2007, it was positioned as a fully functional, production-ready PLM platform. It came with no user limits, no licensing fees, and no enforced constraints on deployment scale. This wasn’t just for testing or pilot use—Aras explicitly encouraged real-world adoption, especially by smaller companies and early adopters. For over a decade, this model set Aras apart from traditional PLM vendors.
2. The Shift: Quiet Repositioning Over Time
In recent years, Aras has quietly redefined the purpose of the open release. It is now often described as intended for evaluation or testing only, rather than for production deployment. This recharacterization stands in contrast to the original messaging, and the change has been introduced without clear or direct communication to the user base.
As a result, users who initially adopted Aras under the impression of long-term free use are now being discouraged or prevented from continuing at scale unless they purchase a subscription. The open release still exists, but it is increasingly restricted, and its development path has diverged from the enterprise edition.
3. Was the Transition Handled Well?
Unfortunately, no—the shift was not handled in a transparent or structured way.
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Messaging has been inconsistent: what was once “free for unlimited users” is now described as “just for testing,” without acknowledgment of the change.
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There was no clear communication outlining how the open release would be limited going forward.
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Long-time users—especially those who adopted based on Aras’s earlier promises—have been left in a difficult position.
This change in direction may make business sense, particularly to convert large-scale deployments into paying customers. But the way the transition was executed eroded trust, especially among users who relied on the open model as a long-term strategy.
4. The Impact on Small and Mid-Sized Users
One of the biggest problems is that smaller organizations have no clear place in the current model. These companies are often too small to justify or afford a full enterprise subscription, yet they were previously encouraged to adopt the platform without limitations. Now, they find themselves without support, updates, or a defined future, despite continuing to use the system actively.
These users aren’t resisting change—they’re simply lacking a viable path forward that aligns with their size and needs.
5. What Aras Could Do to Rebuild Trust
To better support small and mid-sized users, Aras could take several steps:
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Introduce a formal Community Edition: free to use in production for organizations below a certain size, with clear scope and limitations.
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Offer lightweight, affordable support or add-on options without requiring full enterprise subscription.
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Clarify the future of the open release: provide a public roadmap, define what users can expect, and acknowledge the evolution in positioning.
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Re-engage the broader community through updated forums, documentation, and open communication channels.
These steps wouldn’t just improve adoption—they would also restore credibility with a user base that helped establish Aras’s reputation as an open and forward-thinking PLM provider.
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- AngelaIpIdeator I
I just realized that I haven't yet shared my collection of Peter Schroer quotes describing the idea behind Aras and the concept of the open release. Perhaps the new PTC leadership, with their background in traditional industries, wasn’t fully briefed on what made Aras so distinctive - fortunately, there are still many sources online!
Let´s start with this one: https://aras.com/en/blog/you-re-never-too-old-to-be-a-hacker
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"After years of the same old, same old in the PLM industry, I knew there had to be a better way. We set out to create that at Aras. And I think we’re doing a pretty good job.
First, we created better technology. Modern, flexible technology that's designed to adapt to the way your business works, not the other way around. It helps a lot that it actually works too.
Then we hacked the PLM enterprise business model. I hate the sales approach taken by most PLM companies. It is excruciating and when it's over no one, especially the customers, feels very good about it.
At Aras, we don't sell PLM software. We give it away. And if you'd like a little help with it, you can buy some training or some consulting time from our staff of experts. And if you want support and upgrades and good stuff like that, you can buy an annual subscription. We put all the info you need up on our website and we let you make your own decisions. Simple? Yup. Effective? You bet. Refreshing? Absolutely. And it's fair."
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I personally believe Mr. Schroer would be ashamed if he saw how the current user restrictions were implemented - with misleading communication and aimed at the wrong audience. The legacy was corrupted overnight - simply because the old industry didn’t recognize its value. But I assume they now prefer to spent more money on traditional marketing. I’m just waiting for the first print and TV ads to roll out.
Maybe someday they’ll be bold again: A carefully well-tuned open release concept could effortlessly attract new target audiences, just as it did in the past. But I assume modernization always takes time? - Harald_KorneliussenIdeator I
It's not exactly widely advertised, and it's not exactly open, is it? Still, something to try out.
- AngelaIpIdeator I
They have the “Minecraft of PLM” but use the sales concept of Fallout 76.
Here is an overview of whats new in Release 2025/35: https://aras.com/ja-jp/blog/arasinnovator-release35
Aras changed A LOT! This release contains a complete rework of the UI/UX! Huge respect to the developers and the other people who work "hand-on" on the software!BUT: This Japanese blog article is the ONLY Release 35 related content I have seen so far. Did you know that the new AI assistant was released a few days ago too? Did you hear anything from their marketing, despite some press release article an eternity ago? Any advertising? Nothing!!!!!
They have the best product in years, yet they’re probably totally confused why the sales figures don’t magically skyrocket by themselves.
But of course this was part of the original Aras sales concept. Give the product away for free to save marketing costs. Solid concept. Well, until you eliminate the open release itself.There was an opportunity to sunset the open release with care — supporting open release users with a guided transition to a regular version (e.g. Minerva PLM) and honoring the product’s legacy. But instead, they opted for a hard cutoff practically overnight.
- AngelaIpIdeator I
I have to revise my earlier statement!
Release 2025 is strictly limited to 50 users – regardless of whether they are active or inactive!
Instead of 4 or 5 users, this version already reserves 6 (!!) users out of the box. So in reality, you're left with just 44 users – hoping none of them ever leave the company, since even disabled users still count.It’s essentially a built-in EOL function / kill-switch!
kalainpk : I may have misunderstood your previous feedback. But thanks for testing anyway!
- AngelaIpIdeator I
According to the "Aras Innovator 2025 Release Administrator Quick Start" guide only "enabled" users are counted toward the license limit.
However, this does not appear to be true. Even after disabling all newly added users, the system remains non-functional until the corresponding User items are deleted entirely. Unfortunately, deleting a user is no longer possible once they have interacted with the system in any way - even through trivial actions such as setting grid preferences or pinning an ItemType to the sidebar. This behavior contradicts the documentation's description.To delete users beyond the 44-user limit, administrators are forced to remove all related data from the system.
This creates a highly problematic situation for any open release user who relied on the promise of “50 enabled users.” Innovator becomes unusable the moment custom user #45 is added. If the administrator is unaware of this limitation, the system may suddenly become inaccessible for everyone else - without warning - and resolving the issue is extremely difficult.
Deleting all related data is nearly impossible for administrators who lack deep experience with Innovator, making this a serious risk in real-world deployments. (Aras still recommends this version for "small scale production applications").I’m confused by Aras' decision to implement these user restrictions in such a way - especially while providing slightly misleading information in both the official documentation and on their website.
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In the best-case scenario, this is simply a result of being out of touch with the user base. Either they overlooked the issue - or they noticed it and didn’t care.
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In the worst-case scenario, the inaccurate statements in the Administrator Guide are intentional. Since the guide isn’t legally binding, users may be left with the false impression that they can work with up to 50 real users and simply disable them when needed.
This could be interpreted as a deliberate tactic to create artificial pressure - pushing users toward a subscription once they exceed the 44-user limit and find themselves unable to access their data in any meaningful way.
Either scenario is problematic. If Aras truly needs to rely on tactics like this to gain new subscribers, it raises concerns about the company’s financial situation and long-term strategy. At this point, I would not feel comfortable recommending their product.
I genuinely wonder if Aras understands how this decision comes across to their user base. It risks damaging trust and gives the impression that either user experience is being ignored or that misleading guidelines is being used as a sales tactic.
To be honest, I don’t think they’ve fully realized how off this decision might seem from an outsider’s perspective.
I still believe the company can do better - just as they have in the past - both in terms of transparency and in how they support their community.
And if it takes 357 more posts in this thread (or elsewhere) to make the point clear, I’m fine with that. It´s still less work then changing the PLM software itself.But that´s all just my personal opinion. How do you rate the situation?
- Riaan_HIdeator I
Hi Angela
I am with you on this, it is a very sad time for small engineering companies. The old Aras open version was a gateway for smaller companies into having a professional PLM system and to grow with it.
I am operating in the South African market, and we have a lot of small startup companies trying to make a living in this challenging environment. Aras open edition was a lifeline for them, giving them some professional tools. With their other challenges and uncertain operating environment they will never start with the subscription version. The open edition was a nice way of easing into PLM.
They are all small and may have managed with the 50 enabled users, but including non-enabled users in the count severely limits the usability of the system.
Small companies are now effectively locked out of PLM, they will be limited to the CAD based PDM systems, or some or other online stopgap solution.
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- AngelaIpIdeator I
Small disclaimer:
Aras appears to be fully aware of the content and tone of this discussion, and seems to be fine with all aspects presented. There has been no censorship, moderation, or attempt to officially reframe or challenge any of the points raised.
Similar arguments were made during the Release 2024 discussion - particularly regarding user limits and other technical constraints - and those posts have also remained online without any censorship or negative feedback for over a year.Since this is Aras’s own platform and they define the rules of engagement, they of course have every right to moderate or remove content they consider problematic.
The fact that they haven’t done so should be seen as a positive and intentional act of tolerance, which I’d like to explicitly acknowledge! - eli_donahueNew MemberHi all, thanks for sharing your feedback on the 2025 Community Edition. I’ve passed along your concerns to help improve communication around future releases. While there are no planned changes to the Community Edition this year, we’re taking the following steps based on your input:
- Updating the 2025 documentation and website to clarify the user limit and remove any conflicting information.
- Working to improve how we communicate product releases.
- Publishing a blog post introducing the 2025 Community Edition and helping folks get started.
I'm closing this thread now that the feedback has been captured and actions are underway. For additional feedback about the Community Edition, questions about subscription options, or the next step in your PLM journey, don't hesitate to get in touch with info@aras.com.